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The GNSO presentation described the Generic Names Supporting Organization as ICANN’s policy-development body for generic top-level domains, explained its two-house structure of contracted and non-contracted parties, and outlined how the GNSO Council manages policy development processes with public-comment stages and liaisons. It highlighted current work on Latin-script diacritics, DNS abuse associated-domain checks, a future DNS abuse PDP on bulk-registration API safeguards, and revised registration-data access recommendations after Board rejection. The ISPCP presentation then explained that the Internet Service Provider and Connectivity Provider Constituency is a smaller commercial-stakeholder constituency within the GNSO, representing ISPs and connectivity providers, with free membership and monthly meetings. It described ISPCP priorities including DNS stability and security, DNS abuse mitigation, Universal Acceptance, ICANN governance review, NOMCOM selections, and new gTLD/registration-data issues. Audience Q&A covered how newcomers can join GNSO work as observers or representatives, differences between commercial and non-commercial perspectives, inclusion of marginalized voices, objections to TLD applications, community-network eligibility, and national jurisdiction approaches.","summary_kind":"ai_summary","structured_summary":{"overview":{"text":"This ICANN87 newcomer onboarding session introduced two GNSO-related communities. The GNSO presentation described the Generic Names Supporting Organization as ICANN’s policy-development body for generic top-level domains, explained its two-house structure of contracted and non-contracted parties, and outlined how the GNSO Council manages policy development processes with public-comment stages and liaisons. 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Thank you, Fernanda, and…"},{"id":"cue-11","start":78.41,"end":85.2,"text":"MTS - AV: We're back to our sessions to learn about ICANN community."},{"id":"cue-12","start":85.45,"end":91.849,"text":"MTS - AV: And we will start with two interesting communities to talk about."},{"id":"cue-13","start":91.89,"end":109.15899999999999,"text":"MTS - AV: We'll start with GNSO, which is Generic Name Supporting Organization, and we will be finishing this session with learning about ISPCP, which is Internet Service Providers, Connectivity Providers."},{"id":"cue-14","start":109.88,"end":129.66,"text":"MTS - AV: So and it's my pleasure to introduce you GNSO Chair Susan Payne, who will start the session and talk about GNSO. And then we'll have some time for questions for Susan, and then we'll move to ISPCP. Susan, the floor is yours."},{"id":"cue-15","start":130.039,"end":143.97899999999998,"text":"MTS - AV: Thank you very much. Hi, everyone. It's really nice to come and do this session and tell you a bit about the GNSO. So, the GNSO is basically the policy development body within ICANN that's responsible for policies"},{"id":"cue-16","start":144.01,"end":156.97,"text":"MTS - AV: To do with generic top-level domains, or GTLDs. So examples of those that you'd be very familiar with are .com and .net.org, for example."},{"id":"cue-17","start":157.04,"end":163.249,"text":"MTS - AV: And originally, we had relatively small number of those top-level GTLDs."},{"id":"cue-18","start":163.38,"end":178.699,"text":"MTS - AV: And then the space was expanded initially with about 14 additional ones. And then in 2012, we had what was called the round of new GTLDs that led to another about sort of 1500 or so GTLDs."},{"id":"cue-19","start":178.7,"end":188.219,"text":"MTS - AV: And then we have just had another round, which is currently underway. 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PDPs normally take longer than that, but this was a very narrow-scoped issue, and what… and what the GNSO is trying to do is… is very narrowly scoped, so that we're…"},{"id":"cue-84","start":870.51,"end":879.979,"text":"MTS - AV: We can move more swiftly and just rather than trying to kind of boil the ocean, we're trying to pick sort of issues in small, like manageable chunks."},{"id":"cue-85","start":880.62,"end":899.679,"text":"MTS - AV: So that, that group now has four meetings here while we're in Bali, and they will be going through all the public, comment input that they received, and then looking at their recommendations and trying to determine whether there is anything that needs to be changed. In particular, they're looking at whether someone's raised issues that"},{"id":"cue-86","start":899.68,"end":904.929,"text":"MTS - AV: hadn't previously been thought about, or whether there are any kind of unintended consequences that someone has flagged."},{"id":"cue-87","start":905.04,"end":909.039,"text":"MTS - AV: And if so, then they would make changes to their recommendations accordingly."},{"id":"cue-88","start":909.52,"end":915.849,"text":"MTS - AV: And then the final one is one we don't actually have underway yet."},{"id":"cue-89","start":916.04,"end":929.93,"text":"MTS - AV: we're just working on, on chartering, the next DNS abuse PDP. And this is about introducing some kind of safeguards for access to, to tools like APIs that."},{"id":"cue-90","start":930.33,"end":941.83,"text":"MTS - AV: make it easier for registrants to register in bulk or at scale. And the idea is, if someone's a new customer, maybe they haven't yet."},{"id":"cue-91","start":942.16,"end":957.449,"text":"MTS - AV: Built up that sort of level of know your customer, or kind of trustworthiness, if you like, with the registrar, that maybe there should be some kind of additional hurdles that they have to go through before they're given access to some of these tools that allow them to register in bulk."},{"id":"cue-92","start":957.7,"end":975.93,"text":"MTS - AV: So we… we voted to initiate that work, and we… we are just sort of drafting the charter for it, and… and I think the idea is that when… when the PDP-1 work, when that group is kind of more or less finished, then there would… it would seem a good time then to… to start the PDP-2."},{"id":"cue-93","start":977.26,"end":991.579,"text":"MTS - AV: And then I think I don't have it on the slide, no. The other piece of work we have, which I didn't put on there because it's not really a PDP, but the other sort of PDP-like effort that we currently have underway is"},{"id":"cue-94","start":991.6,"end":999.91,"text":"MTS - AV: is one to do with the, system for standardized access and disclosure of registration data. There was a"},{"id":"cue-95","start":999.95,"end":1007.119,"text":"MTS - AV: There were, there was PDP work on that, and a set of recommendations for a very complex system."},{"id":"cue-96","start":1007.25,"end":1014.81,"text":"MTS - AV: That was determined to be too complicated and really too costly. And so… At the…"},{"id":"cue-97","start":1015.99,"end":1033.479,"text":"MTS - AV: oh, I think probably a couple of ICANNs ago, the ICANN board, having had conversations with the GNSO Council about how do we fix this problem, decided that they would reject those recommendations, and that triggers something under our operating procedures to send them back to the GNSO Council."},{"id":"cue-98","start":1033.48,"end":1043.209,"text":"MTS - AV: And then we put together a working group to basically look at that again. We've got various other input from trials that have been run on a much simpler disclosure system."},{"id":"cue-99","start":1043.25,"end":1062.88,"text":"MTS - AV: And so we're working with all of this data that we've had over that two-year trial, and revising the recommendations to come up with, hopefully, some recommendations for a simpler system that will be less costly to implement, and that hopefully the ICANN board, when we finalize that work, will be more confident about taking forward."},{"id":"cue-100","start":1062.96,"end":1077.629,"text":"MTS - AV: So it's not exactly a PDP, because the PDP work has already happened, but it's… it's an effort that we also have underway at the moment with… with a number of GNSO members, working on, kind of, revising recommendations that have been deemed unworkable."},{"id":"cue-101","start":1078.97,"end":1093.899,"text":"MTS - AV: So that's… yeah, that's just a kind of quick and high-level sort of overview on the main things that we do, and what, you know, the PDP process and so on, but I think I'll stop there. I don't want to run too long, but I'd be happy to take any questions if anyone has any."},{"id":"cue-102","start":1093.9,"end":1098.999,"text":"MTS - AV: Yes, absolutely. We will open the floor for questions."},{"id":"cue-103","start":1099.09,"end":1118.789,"text":"MTS - AV: Along with the activities which Susan mentioned, I also would like to thank GNSO as the headquarters for commercial and non-commercial stakeholder groups to nominate and assign mentors and selection committee members for both NextGen and Fellowship program."},{"id":"cue-104","start":1118.79,"end":1131.469,"text":"MTS - AV: We are really very appreciate your nominations and your support to those programs, and these are very important for us also to have community engaged in those processes."},{"id":"cue-105","start":1132.03,"end":1139.789,"text":"MTS - AV: I'm opening the floor for questions related to GNSO. Yes, Mary, we'll start from you."},{"id":"cue-106","start":1142.98,"end":1155.49,"text":"MTS - AV: Thank you. I'm Mary from… fellow from Timor-Leste. I'm new to ICANN and come from a small island country, Timor-Leste. So, my question is."},{"id":"cue-107","start":1155.49,"end":1165.369,"text":"MTS - AV: What background or skill and experience should I have to join a GNSO working group and contribute to a meaningful to policy development?"},{"id":"cue-108","start":1165.45,"end":1172.57,"text":"MTS - AV: And can newcomers participate while learning, or prior policy experience expected? Thank you."},{"id":"cue-109","start":1174.53,"end":1189.819,"text":"MTS - AV: So I think the best way to learn is to get involved. And really most people, when they start, they perhaps are not that experienced in doing this, but they, you know, they've got some experience in their perspective, the particular group they come from."},{"id":"cue-110","start":1189.82,"end":1195.909,"text":"MTS - AV: What has become a bit more challenging for participation, I think, or wide participation."},{"id":"cue-111","start":1195.91,"end":1211.36,"text":"MTS - AV: is the fact that we, in the past, we used to have PDP working groups where it would be what we called an open model, where basically anyone who wanted to could just put their hand up and sign up and join. And we would have them working groups that could be 100 or 150 people."},{"id":"cue-112","start":1211.46,"end":1215.419,"text":"MTS - AV: And that's really quite difficult to manage, and we also found that"},{"id":"cue-113","start":1215.55,"end":1228.85,"text":"MTS - AV: Often, 150 people would be signed up to be members of the working group, but actually most of them would maybe turn up for a few meetings, and then they would perhaps get disillusioned and leave, or felt uncomfortable speaking up in that bigger group."},{"id":"cue-114","start":1229.05,"end":1244.359,"text":"MTS - AV: So whilst it's not always the case that we'll do what we call a representative model, it is becoming much more normal. And so, for example, the DNS abuse PDP that I was talking about, that is what's called a representative model, and we…"},{"id":"cue-115","start":1244.36,"end":1253.96,"text":"MTS - AV: We work out in council what we think the right number of people to be in the group is, and whether we think any particular, interest group"},{"id":"cue-116","start":1253.98,"end":1263.859,"text":"MTS - AV: is more specifically impacted, and so maybe needs more representatives. But we would… we would generally… we would say, like, you know, there will be…"},{"id":"cue-117","start":1264.21,"end":1268.909,"text":"MTS - AV: 2 represent… or 3 representatives from the registrars, 3 from the registries."},{"id":"cue-118","start":1269.11,"end":1279.149,"text":"MTS - AV: You know, one from the commercial stakeholders, one, you know, one from the non-commercial stakeholders, or, you know, whatever the decision is on the grouping structure."},{"id":"cue-119","start":1280.06,"end":1282.449,"text":"MTS - AV: And then we may well have,"},{"id":"cue-120","start":1282.58,"end":1296.34,"text":"MTS - AV: what we call observers. So we will have those people are the representatives, they're expected to present the… the perspectives of their group, and so they're… whilst they obviously bring their own experience, they… they're meant to listen to what's being discussed and take it back to their groups."},{"id":"cue-121","start":1296.34,"end":1307.47,"text":"MTS - AV: And get input, and sort of discuss it in that forum, and then come back to the working group, and sort of work on reaching consensus with the other representatives."},{"id":"cue-122","start":1308.71,"end":1324.819,"text":"MTS - AV: where we have that kind of model, then usually the PDP will also be open to observers who literally do that. You'll be able to look at the, you know, what's going on on the mailing list, usually listen in to the calls, but not actually speak because you're not a representative."},{"id":"cue-123","start":1324.98,"end":1332.149,"text":"MTS - AV: So that's one thing, you know, you can… you can join as an observer, even if you haven't been appointed as the representative for a group."},{"id":"cue-124","start":1332.31,"end":1345.989,"text":"MTS - AV: But the easiest way to become the representative for a group is… is when you… when you work out which part of the ICANN, structure is… is the most appropriate kind of home for you, if there is one."},{"id":"cue-125","start":1346.23,"end":1351.959,"text":"MTS - AV: Then… then you would become… you become active within that group, so in that constituency of… of…"},{"id":"cue-126","start":1352.07,"end":1361.69,"text":"MTS - AV: not-for-profit operational concerns, or business constituency, or if you come from an ISP, you maybe would join the ISPs."},{"id":"cue-127","start":1361.97,"end":1379.689,"text":"MTS - AV: And you work within that group, and then when, you know, at some point, when you've demonstrated that you would be a good person to be trusted to be a representative, then they would appoint you to be the representative. But in the meantime, you can always be an observer, even if you can't be the rep."},{"id":"cue-128","start":1380.21,"end":1381.38,"text":"MTS - AV: I hope that helps."},{"id":"cue-129","start":1381.63,"end":1382.6,"text":"MTS - AV: Thank you."},{"id":"cue-130","start":1385.42,"end":1386.33,"text":"MTS - AV: Yes?"},{"id":"cue-131","start":1387.07,"end":1390.41,"text":"MTS - AV: Queen, let's go with you, and then we'll come back to you."},{"id":"cue-132","start":1391.24,"end":1405.029,"text":"MTS - AV: Hi, I'm Njawe Peter Tsui, I'm from TWNI, and actually, I'm the Adopting Fellow of Theranos, and what I want to ask is that, interesting things from GNSO is that they have the commercial"},{"id":"cue-133","start":1405.03,"end":1415.419,"text":"MTS - AV: parties and non-commercial parties, and I want… and since this is my third time I came here, so I want to know more deeper about how these two different groups might have"},{"id":"cue-134","start":1415.42,"end":1427.299,"text":"MTS - AV: a different perspective on certain issues, or, might have some common, understandings, or something. Is it like a… do they have… really have the consensus, or sometimes they are really conflicting with each other?"},{"id":"cue-135","start":1428.97,"end":1442.35,"text":"MTS - AV: Yeah. Absolutely, they are… there probably are some issues on which they have some areas of alignment and consensus, and they would tend to be ones where we're all interested. So, for example."},{"id":"cue-136","start":1442.35,"end":1450.03,"text":"MTS - AV: you know, I can… being a properly accountable body, for example, ensuring that, you know, the Org and the board"},{"id":"cue-137","start":1450.03,"end":1467.73,"text":"MTS - AV: do, you know, stick to their mission, are transparent, and, you know, and those kind of issues around things like, accountability and good governance and so on, I think it's very easy for people to be, you know, completely aligned. On some of the more…"},{"id":"cue-138","start":1467.73,"end":1481.119,"text":"MTS - AV: policy issues relating to domain names, I would say they're not always… there isn't always that alignment. And the commercial stakeholders and the non-commercial stakeholders."},{"id":"cue-139","start":1481.15,"end":1491.839,"text":"MTS - AV: Often come from very different backgrounds and perspectives, so, you know, on a topic like DNS abuse, the commercial stakeholders"},{"id":"cue-140","start":1492.02,"end":1505.8,"text":"MTS - AV: Or many of the commercial stakeholders maybe will be very concerned about, impact on business, impact on their customer base if they're being scammed, and so on. And those from the non-commercial side."},{"id":"cue-141","start":1505.82,"end":1508.69,"text":"MTS - AV: We'll be concerned about things like"},{"id":"cue-142","start":1508.71,"end":1518.089,"text":"MTS - AV: Free speech, you know, access to the internet, ensuring that, you know, legitimate registrants don't have their domain names taken away from them."},{"id":"cue-143","start":1518.09,"end":1533.14,"text":"MTS - AV: So there's a balance needs to be struck, but that balance usually is struck within the PDP, where there are the other interests there as well. Rather than just at the kind of house level between the commercial and the non-commercial stakeholders."},{"id":"cue-144","start":1533.16,"end":1540.11,"text":"MTS - AV: But no, on some issues, there are… there are very strong divergences of opinion."},{"id":"cue-145","start":1542.44,"end":1545.429,"text":"MTS - AV: Thank you. We'll go to the lady."},{"id":"cue-146","start":1545.44,"end":1561.729,"text":"MTS - AV: And we have a couple of more questions over there. Thank you so much. My name is Jigme Dolker, and I'm from India, so my question is that I've learned GNSO brings together different multi-stakeholder from organized other groups."},{"id":"cue-147","start":1561.73,"end":1567.899,"text":"MTS - AV: But, I want to ask that if there is any gap between representing such organized"},{"id":"cue-148","start":1567.9,"end":1572.57,"text":"MTS - AV: Groups and the people voice who those voices which are missing."},{"id":"cue-149","start":1572.63,"end":1585.18,"text":"MTS - AV: Especially from the marginalized communities and the people who are digitally excluded. And how does GNSO identify whose voices are missing before making such policies and GTLD policies?"},{"id":"cue-150","start":1588.47,"end":1589.5,"text":"MTS - AV: So."},{"id":"cue-151","start":1590.46,"end":1592.32,"text":"MTS - AV: I think it, it is one of the"},{"id":"cue-152","start":1592.6,"end":1603.979,"text":"MTS - AV: It is certainly the case that that, you know, there are it's much easier to participate in, in the some of the GNSO structures if you, you know, you're coming from a business or something like that."},{"id":"cue-153","start":1603.98,"end":1616.26,"text":"MTS - AV: But all of the groups, I think, do a certain amount of outreach or try to do some outreach. Certainly ICANN does outreach to try, you know, to try to identify…"},{"id":"cue-154","start":1616.36,"end":1623.069,"text":"MTS - AV: You know, potential new members or, you know, people who may be potentially interested in participating in the space."},{"id":"cue-155","start":1625.21,"end":1630.539,"text":"MTS - AV: Groups like this, the kind of NextGen and the fellowship."},{"id":"cue-156","start":1630.57,"end":1648.04,"text":"MTS - AV: A lot of folks who are now active in the GNSO have come up through that process, for example, and joined in. But there are also parts of the ICANN community that maybe are not the GNSO, which maybe have a focus on that as well. So the At-Large community."},{"id":"cue-157","start":1648.04,"end":1653.2,"text":"MTS - AV: It's very focused on, on sort of end user voices,"},{"id":"cue-158","start":1653.47,"end":1663.71,"text":"MTS - AV: The government, the governmental advisory committee, even, governments will often come bringing in the perspectives of their"},{"id":"cue-159","start":1664.87,"end":1679.89,"text":"MTS - AV: their people, you know, and so we will… we will see sometimes governments being very concerned about the sort of ensuring that something is equal for all, and is taking into consideration the kind of more underserved areas."},{"id":"cue-160","start":1680.15,"end":1682.44,"text":"MTS - AV: And so within a Pdp."},{"id":"cue-161","start":1682.82,"end":1689.509,"text":"MTS - AV: In addition to spaces at the table as representatives for the GNSO structures, we will also"},{"id":"cue-162","start":1689.51,"end":1706.949,"text":"MTS - AV: Generally speaking, now, there's also at least a few representatives, allocated seats from the At-Large, and from, the Governmental Advisory Committee as well. And sometimes, depending on what the topic is, it may also… we may also have people from the CCNSO"},{"id":"cue-163","start":1706.95,"end":1714.63,"text":"MTS - AV: space who in some cases are also, depending on where they're from, very interested in that kind of marginalized community."},{"id":"cue-164","start":1714.67,"end":1716.159,"text":"MTS - AV: aspect."},{"id":"cue-165","start":1717.58,"end":1720.73,"text":"MTS - AV: Thank you. Gentlemen over there, please."},{"id":"cue-166","start":1721.8,"end":1734.159,"text":"MTS - AV: Can you… can you come closer to the mic? Someone give a space, please. Okay, will you hear me well now? Very good. My name is Hossein, for the record. I have a question regarding the…"},{"id":"cue-167","start":1734.24,"end":1750.899,"text":"MTS - AV: objections, received by ICANN board, or any kind of, I don't know, comments on new applications, new TLD application. For example, if, any, community inside ICANN or member, like GAC."},{"id":"cue-168","start":1751.05,"end":1757.42,"text":"MTS - AV: they send… they submit an objection regarding a specific application. Does GNSO has any impact on that?"},{"id":"cue-169","start":1759.82,"end":1760.62,"text":"MTS - AV: Thank you."},{"id":"cue-170","start":1763.28,"end":1772.819,"text":"MTS - AV: Not specifically at this point. I think the policy that was developed, came from the GNSO. And so."},{"id":"cue-171","start":1773.35,"end":1776.529,"text":"MTS - AV: Things like the processes for,"},{"id":"cue-172","start":1776.63,"end":1789.6,"text":"MTS - AV: what types of objections ought to be allowable, and some of that work on, at a high level, what the process should be for objecting is something that the GNSO was very much in control of."},{"id":"cue-173","start":1789.85,"end":1800.71,"text":"MTS - AV: And then when the work… when that policy was implemented, many members who'd been in the original working group then participated on the implementation, working with, Org staff."},{"id":"cue-174","start":1800.93,"end":1811.589,"text":"MTS - AV: So the GNSO has had a role to play in the past in terms of what the policy looks like for things like objections. But in… in…"},{"id":"cue-175","start":1812.27,"end":1829.59,"text":"MTS - AV: with… with… where there's a specific application, and someone is filing an objection, or a government has a concern, no, at that point, it's not really the GNSO's responsibility, because we've set the rules, and now it's for the parties to deal with that."},{"id":"cue-176","start":1830.8,"end":1849.779,"text":"MTS - AV: So, as we don't have time for more questions, Susan, can you say which sessions during the week, excluding tomorrow, the newcomers can come and learn how the council works and what is the process and where they can come up with more questions?"},{"id":"cue-177","start":1850.39,"end":1863.919,"text":"MTS - AV: Absolutely. So it's a shame you said excluding tomorrow, 'cause tomorrow is when we have our working sessions, but they will all be recorded. So if you were interested, you could listen to the recordings."},{"id":"cue-178","start":1863.92,"end":1881.109,"text":"MTS - AV: We have our main council meeting, which is the equivalent of what we would normally do monthly on a phone call. That is on Wednesday afternoon. And it's actually in two parts because this is the AGM. So we have, the first part is our normal order of business."},{"id":"cue-179","start":1881.17,"end":1894.609,"text":"MTS - AV: And then at the end of the meeting, the councillors who have termed out, because they have done their four years, they will leave the table, and then the new councillors who've already been elected will join the table. And then the second part of the meeting"},{"id":"cue-180","start":1894.71,"end":1905.69,"text":"MTS - AV: Just the sort of half an hour at the end or so is, electing a new chair. And if the new chair is elected, possibly also appointing the two new vice chairs."},{"id":"cue-181","start":1906.32,"end":1910.93,"text":"MTS - AV: So that, that's definitely, that meeting is definitely open to anyone to attend."},{"id":"cue-182","start":1911.01,"end":1919.69,"text":"MTS - AV: There will be a meeting with the board, and I'm struggling to remember when that is. I think that is on Tuesday. They can find it on the schedule. Yeah."},{"id":"cue-183","start":1919.69,"end":1934.839,"text":"MTS - AV: It's either Monday or Tuesday, but yes, the… and the meetings with the board are actually, the GNSO has one, and then some of the underlying structures as well, so the commercial stakeholder will have a meeting with the board, the non-commercial stakeholders will do, and so on."},{"id":"cue-184","start":1934.84,"end":1939.809,"text":"MTS - AV: They are a really interesting way of finding out what everyone in the community in the GNSO is."},{"id":"cue-185","start":1939.81,"end":1956.79,"text":"MTS - AV: Well, in the wider community generally is thinking because people will go to the board to raise their concerns and talk about the things that are most front of mind for them. So sometimes if you have nothing else to do, sitting in the room and listening to people coming in one by one and talking to the board is a really good way to understand what's going on."},{"id":"cue-186","start":1957.98,"end":1965.96,"text":"MTS - AV: Thank you, and appreciate your time to be with us here, Susan. Our appreciation and applause is to Susan."},{"id":"cue-187","start":1966,"end":1976.82,"text":"MTS - AV: Thank you very much. And if you'll apologize, I am going to run off, because my intellectual property constituency, which is the part that I'm in, they're having their meeting now, so I have to go and join them."},{"id":"cue-188","start":1976.82,"end":1981.62,"text":"MTS - AV: Thank you. Thank you. We appreciate your time being with us."},{"id":"cue-189","start":1981.62,"end":1998.559,"text":"MTS - AV: We definitely, will learn more about GNSO overall and GNSO Council as a structure, but we start now… we started with GNSO to know who is the main organization hosting all this supporting organi… the…"},{"id":"cue-190","start":1998.76,"end":2000.43,"text":"MTS - AV: stakeholder groups."},{"id":"cue-191","start":2000.43,"end":2020.059,"text":"MTS - AV: contracted and non-contracted, and we will now move to one of the non-contracted groups, which is ISPCP, and my pleasure to introduce you, Philip, the chair of this group, and the Vice Chair Lars, who will be joining us remotely."},{"id":"cue-192","start":2020.06,"end":2032.09,"text":"MTS - AV: Lars, can you hear us? I will give the floor to you to, give the overview of ISPCP, and then we will open the floor for, for the questions."},{"id":"cue-193","start":2032.09,"end":2047.62,"text":"MTS - AV: And this is the… something which you can see that ICANN is not… ICANN community not only works when we meet in person. People, those who are joining us virtually and working online, they also."},{"id":"cue-194","start":2047.62,"end":2055.75,"text":"MTS - AV: make a great input in this community, so it's not only physical participation. Lars, the floor is yours."},{"id":"cue-195","start":2056.6,"end":2067.23,"text":"Lars Steffen: Thank you very much, thank you. So, first of all, even though that Susan just left the room, thank you for, introducing."},{"id":"cue-196","start":2067.23,"end":2086.899,"text":"Lars Steffen: the group to the GNSO, because the ISPCP is a smaller part of the GNSO, so it was very helpful, to get the introduction to, to the GNSO first, because this is very helpful for the understanding of the ISPCP and where it belongs in the ICANN structure."},{"id":"cue-197","start":2087.05,"end":2101.559,"text":"Lars Steffen: Yes, I'm participating remotely. Maybe I'm not the perfect example, because for me, it's, I think, the first ICANN meeting in more than 10 years that I'm not attending in person, so thank you very much for having me remotely."},{"id":"cue-198","start":2101.81,"end":2115.53,"text":"Lars Steffen: As just mentioned, I'm Lars, Lars Steffen, I'm the Vice Chair of the ISPCP, the Internet Service Provider and Connectivity Provider Constituency, and like every constituency, as you have seen on the first slide, we also have a website."},{"id":"cue-199","start":2115.53,"end":2125.259,"text":"Lars Steffen: So if you visit ispcp.info, which I share also on the chat, there you will find all the information that I'm sharing with you today, and of course."},{"id":"cue-200","start":2125.26,"end":2126.55,"text":"Lars Steffen: much more."},{"id":"cue-201","start":2126.62,"end":2144.06,"text":"Lars Steffen: When I'm not at ICANN, I'm the head of Digital Infrastructure and Resilience at ECHO. It's the Association of the Internet Industry. We are based in Germany, but we also have members all across Europe, North America, and as well as global reach with members in more than 60 countries."},{"id":"cue-202","start":2144.13,"end":2162.249,"text":"Lars Steffen: And I'm also the current Vice President of EuroISPA, the European Umbrella Association of National ISP Associations, which is the world's largest association of ISPs, so we count around 3,300 ISPs from the respective European countries."},{"id":"cue-203","start":2162.38,"end":2176.919,"text":"Lars Steffen: So, we are already at the next slide. So, here at ICANN, the ISPCP… and no, yeah, exactly. Please, thank you. So, here at ICANN, the ISPCP has been around since 1999, so we've been part of the community for quite a long time."},{"id":"cue-204","start":2176.92,"end":2186.169,"text":"Lars Steffen: And if you take a look at the ISPCP Charter, which you can find on our website, you will get a good idea of who our members are. So, according to the Charter."},{"id":"cue-205","start":2186.17,"end":2205.499,"text":"Lars Steffen: Our members are ISPs and connectivity providers that operate internet backbone networks, or provide access to internet users and other providers. So this includes ISPs that provide connectivity to homes and to businesses, and also"},{"id":"cue-206","start":2205.61,"end":2224.839,"text":"Lars Steffen: exchange points operators. So, if you take a look at our membership list, which you can find on our website, you will see that we have around 60 members, and our membership is quite diverse, both geographically and in terms of size, ranging from small organizations and very large corporations."},{"id":"cue-207","start":2225.03,"end":2234.59,"text":"Lars Steffen: Our members also include a number of ISP associations, so as you can see, I'm here as a representative of an industry association."},{"id":"cue-208","start":2234.64,"end":2250.09,"text":"Lars Steffen: that, represents a number of ISPs, but also, Eko is the sole shareholder, of DKICS, which is the world's largest infrastructure provider for, for internet exchange points. So."},{"id":"cue-209","start":2250.09,"end":2262.18,"text":"Lars Steffen: I can participate in both capacities. Within the ICANN structure, the ISPCP, as we've just learned from Susan, belongs to the GNSO, the Generic Name Supporting Organization."},{"id":"cue-210","start":2262.41,"end":2281.5,"text":"Lars Steffen: And, the GNSO consists, of two houses, so as you've learned, the contracted party house and the non-contracted party house, and the ISPCP belongs to the non-contracted party house. And, the non-contracted party house, as you've seen on the slides that Susan shared with us."},{"id":"cue-211","start":2281.5,"end":2287.389,"text":"Lars Steffen: You can see that the non-contracted party house, is split up into"},{"id":"cue-212","start":2287.39,"end":2299.83,"text":"Lars Steffen: to further groups, the commercial stakeholder group and the non-commercial stakeholder group, and ISPs, corporations and industry associations, we belong to the commercial stakeholder group."},{"id":"cue-213","start":2300.01,"end":2307.839,"text":"Lars Steffen: So, this is, our home in the GNSO, and the commercial stakeholder group we are part of."},{"id":"cue-214","start":2308.21,"end":2323.82,"text":"Lars Steffen: we share this group with the IPC, the intellectual property constituency, and with the BC, the business constituency. So we sit in the structure of the GNSO in that part."},{"id":"cue-215","start":2323.9,"end":2338.04,"text":"Lars Steffen: So if you look at the distribution of seats on the ICANN board, for example, you will notice that the GNSO has two board seats in total, so this means that we need to work with other constituencies within the GNSO"},{"id":"cue-216","start":2338.22,"end":2348.599,"text":"Lars Steffen: When we have to select board representatives, because we don't have a direct allocation that some other constituencies might have, for example, the CCNSO."},{"id":"cue-217","start":2349.58,"end":2365.87,"text":"Lars Steffen: Yes, thank you for, moving on to the, to the next slide. So, so what is the ISPCP's mission within ICANN? So, in general terms, we are here to represent, of course, the interests of our members, and, to contribute to the multi-stakeholder model."},{"id":"cue-218","start":2365.87,"end":2374.86,"text":"Lars Steffen: and the ICANN community, and to participate in the policy development processes, primarily within the GNSO, as Susan just described."},{"id":"cue-219","start":2374.86,"end":2383.71,"text":"Lars Steffen: So let me briefly explain the ISPCP structure. So we are not nearly as large as the GNSL Council, so if you take a"},{"id":"cue-220","start":2383.71,"end":2395.059,"text":"Lars Steffen: look at the slide with the group, exactly. We have, 6 leadership positions, so Philippe, is our chair, he's in the room. Good to see you, Philippe."},{"id":"cue-221","start":2395.06,"end":2406.789,"text":"Lars Steffen: He's from Orange, and I'm the current vice chair. As you've just learned, Santanu, who is also in the room, it's also good to see you. He's a member of the… of the XCOM."},{"id":"cue-222","start":2407.04,"end":2417.249,"text":"Lars Steffen: We have representatives on the GNSL Council, with Susan and Osvaldo, I think they are also present, and Fiona is our delegate."},{"id":"cue-223","start":2417.33,"end":2433.919,"text":"Lars Steffen: to the NOMCOM. And together, we also form the credentials committee, so when we receive applications from prospective members, we jointly do the assessment against our membership criteria and support"},{"id":"cue-224","start":2433.92,"end":2438.72,"text":"Lars Steffen: in the onboarding process for new members. Next slide, please."},{"id":"cue-225","start":2440.45,"end":2464.329,"text":"Lars Steffen: So, the good thing is, participation in the ISPCP is free, so if you meet the membership criteria, there are no other fees involved. So, if you are interested in participating in the ISPCP, please reach out to us after the session, both remotely through our website, or please, contact my colleagues who are in the room."},{"id":"cue-226","start":2464.83,"end":2473.649,"text":"Lars Steffen: Our day-to-day work runs primarily through mailing this. I think that's the that's the the same for many other constituencies."},{"id":"cue-227","start":2473.78,"end":2494.42,"text":"Lars Steffen: And we hold monthly community meetings via Zoom, like here now, and we try to rotate meeting times throughout the year to make participation as fair as possible across the different time zones, because ICANN… so, the internet, ICANN, and everything that belongs to it is global, so we try to"},{"id":"cue-228","start":2494.42,"end":2499.09,"text":"Lars Steffen: to be an…"},{"id":"cue-229","start":2499.55,"end":2508.379,"text":"Lars Steffen: As logic as possible when we find the structures and dates to make it as easy as possible to participate."},{"id":"cue-230","start":2508.88,"end":2522.749,"text":"Lars Steffen: When there are new working groups formed within the GNSO, we appoint representatives to participate in those policy development processes, and together we draft statements, provide input and feedback to the issues being discussed."},{"id":"cue-231","start":2522.75,"end":2530.839,"text":"Lars Steffen: And from time to time, we also participate in processes outside ICANN when we believe they are relevant to our members."},{"id":"cue-232","start":2531.1,"end":2532.489,"text":"Lars Steffen: Next slide, please."},{"id":"cue-233","start":2534.69,"end":2546.42,"text":"Lars Steffen: So, our main work at the ISPCP is to contribute to those policy development processes within the GNSO that Susan just described, so particularly those, of course."},{"id":"cue-234","start":2546.42,"end":2556.2,"text":"Lars Steffen: that relate to the stability and security of the DNS because that's our main interest for from the perspective of internet service and connectivity providers."},{"id":"cue-235","start":2556.34,"end":2571,"text":"Lars Steffen: Because we deliver the basic infrastructure of the internet, including fiber networks in the ground, many of the services that build on top of them, and most ISPs, for example, operate resolvers for the DNS."},{"id":"cue-236","start":2571.09,"end":2575.4,"text":"Lars Steffen: Primarily for the customers and end users."},{"id":"cue-237","start":2575.4,"end":2591.28,"text":"Lars Steffen: And through this, we represent one of the key touchpoints of the ecosystems that you meet here at ICANN. And of course, when participating in those policy development processes, our main objective is to reach"},{"id":"cue-238","start":2591.28,"end":2599.85,"text":"Lars Steffen: consensus in the… within the ISPCP, but also to all the other structures that we belong to within the GNSO."},{"id":"cue-239","start":2599.9,"end":2601.349,"text":"Lars Steffen: Next slide, please."},{"id":"cue-240","start":2601.98,"end":2602.98,"text":"Lars Steffen: So…"},{"id":"cue-241","start":2603.02,"end":2616.83,"text":"Lars Steffen: what does our basic processes look like? And it's pretty straightforward and simple, so when a new PDP is launched, we first meet and decide whether we would like to participate or not. And when…"},{"id":"cue-242","start":2616.83,"end":2634.23,"text":"Lars Steffen: when we decide to participate in a PDP, we appoint shepherds who are responsible for managing timelines, drafting initial statements, consulting with the membership about their views on the topic, tracking the progress, and together with the chair and the vice chair, we are coordinating"},{"id":"cue-243","start":2634.26,"end":2645.56,"text":"Lars Steffen: Final votings, on the positions, the publication on the website, the submission, to the, to the public comments, etc, etc."},{"id":"cue-244","start":2645.76,"end":2659.57,"text":"Lars Steffen: And this slide also provides an overview of some of the most recent policy statements, when we go to the next slide, that we are currently working on, just to give you, an overview."},{"id":"cue-245","start":2659.9,"end":2673.97,"text":"Lars Steffen: what is, within the scope of the, of the ISPCP. So, our main topics, so I just, put on the slide, the contributions that we made throughout this year, is."},{"id":"cue-246","start":2674.07,"end":2686.399,"text":"Lars Steffen: Well, as you might have already heard, in the GNSO, but all over ICANN, people are discussing the topic of DNS abuse, and of course, the ISPCP is participating in this."},{"id":"cue-247","start":2686.4,"end":2696.79,"text":"Lars Steffen: Because we are often on the front lines where DNS abuse, such as phishing, malware, but also botnets affect the internet users and our networks as operators."},{"id":"cue-248","start":2696.83,"end":2715.63,"text":"Lars Steffen: Although, we don't necessarily control the domain names that are involved, we play an important role in detecting threats, mitigating their impact, and collaborating with registries, registrars, and hosting providers, and security organizations. And our goal is to make DNS abuse mitigation more effective."},{"id":"cue-249","start":2715.63,"end":2721.429,"text":"Lars Steffen: While ensuring that measures are technically feasible, proportionate, and respectful."},{"id":"cue-250","start":2721.51,"end":2724.049,"text":"Lars Steffen: Of legitimate users' rights."},{"id":"cue-251","start":2724.13,"end":2738.799,"text":"Lars Steffen: Another topic that we focus on is universal acceptance, which means that all valid domain names and email addresses should work across internet applications and services, including those using non-Latin scripts."},{"id":"cue-252","start":2738.83,"end":2751.18,"text":"Lars Steffen: And because ISPs and connectivity providers, as I already mentioned, operate DNS resolvers, email platforms, and other infrastructure that most support these identifiers."},{"id":"cue-253","start":2751.23,"end":2769.229,"text":"Lars Steffen: where universal acceptance can become a reality and should become a reality. So we advocate practical implementation guidelines, measurable progress, and greater attention to emerging challenges, such as AI systems that may not correctly handle"},{"id":"cue-254","start":2769.23,"end":2777.36,"text":"Lars Steffen: multilingual domain names and email addresses. One other topic that we currently work on is the ICANN governance and structural review."},{"id":"cue-255","start":2777.56,"end":2790.299,"text":"Lars Steffen: So, the internet has evolved dramatically since ICANN was established many years ago, and with AI, satellite connectivity, new digital identifiers, and other emerging technologies."},{"id":"cue-256","start":2790.41,"end":2807.04,"text":"Lars Steffen: fundamentally changing the internet ecosystem, the ISPCP believes that ICANN governance structures and review mechanisms must evolve accordingly to remain effective, accountable, and representatives of today's and tomorrow's internet stakeholders."},{"id":"cue-257","start":2807.04,"end":2818.399,"text":"Lars Steffen: So we advocate for timely and comprehensive structural review of ICANN, supported by more efficient, transparent, and result-oriented review frameworks that enable ICANN"},{"id":"cue-258","start":2818.4,"end":2822.249,"text":"Lars Steffen: To adapt to such technological changes."},{"id":"cue-259","start":2822.62,"end":2827.93,"text":"Lars Steffen: As you can see, we also, participated in."},{"id":"cue-260","start":2828.03,"end":2846.919,"text":"Lars Steffen: the ICANN nominating committee, so the NOMCOM, as you might have already learned, or you will learn throughout the next days, selects individuals for important leadership positions across ICANN, including the board of directors and other community bodies, and the ISPCP believes that these bodies"},{"id":"cue-261","start":2846.92,"end":2864.319,"text":"Lars Steffen: need not only governance and policy expertise, but also a sound understanding of internet infrastructure, DNS operations, cybersecurity, and emerging technologies, so that we also have the technical expertise represented in those bodies. So we advocate for a transparent, fair."},{"id":"cue-262","start":2864.32,"end":2875.939,"text":"Lars Steffen: An evidence-based selection process that recognizes operational experience and also attracts qualified candidates from beyond the traditional ICANN community."},{"id":"cue-263","start":2876.42,"end":2878.15,"text":"Lars Steffen: Next slide, please."},{"id":"cue-264","start":2879.12,"end":2897.279,"text":"Lars Steffen: We already, so, or Susan already touched upon, other issues that are also currently discussed within, the GNSO, which is the new GTLD program, which we focus on, as I just, mentioned, through, universal acceptance, for example."},{"id":"cue-265","start":2897.28,"end":2906.77,"text":"Lars Steffen: But also, what is coming along with AI and other alternative naming systems, that come along with them, and may have an impact on"},{"id":"cue-266","start":2906.77,"end":2916.29,"text":"Lars Steffen: the security and stability of the current infrastructure. We also monitor the work on the WHOIS and registration data request services."},{"id":"cue-267","start":2916.36,"end":2929.84,"text":"Lars Steffen: Or is it now called the Standardized System for Access and Disclosure of Registrant Data? And in general, across all topics, the ISPCP brings a consistent perspective, so internet governance."},{"id":"cue-268","start":2929.84,"end":2947.48,"text":"Lars Steffen: must be informed by the operational realities of network providers and infrastructure providers that keep the internet running, and we want ICANN policies to be technically sound, operationally feasible, and developed through a meaningful multi-stakeholder collaboration. And our contribution is to bring"},{"id":"cue-269","start":2947.52,"end":2966.309,"text":"Lars Steffen: the gap, to bridge the gap between policy discussions and their practical consequences for internet operators, businesses, and users worldwide. And this is what makes the ISPCP, we think, an important voice within the ICANN ecosystem, and why we welcome newcomers."},{"id":"cue-270","start":2966.31,"end":2975.859,"text":"Lars Steffen: want to help shape the future of the internet. So, if you think you would like to be part of this, please, contact us after this session."},{"id":"cue-271","start":2976.38,"end":2986.739,"text":"Lars Steffen: The next slide, please. Because, as every constituency and every, membership-based organization."},{"id":"cue-272","start":2986.79,"end":3005.179,"text":"Lars Steffen: We can never have enough members, so it's always good to have new faces, new views, also new opinions, and to welcome to our constituency, because the broader our membership is, the more views that we can reflect, discuss."},{"id":"cue-273","start":3005.19,"end":3025.03,"text":"Lars Steffen: and include in our work, the better, because, as just mentioned, the internet and ICANN are global, and this is also why we would like to see as much participation as possible, not only as members, but also reflected in our policy work."},{"id":"cue-274","start":3025.52,"end":3026.94,"text":"Lars Steffen: Next slide, please."},{"id":"cue-275","start":3030.21,"end":3037.599,"text":"Lars Steffen: As you can see, we have two sessions in the next week where you are more than welcome to participate in."},{"id":"cue-276","start":3037.7,"end":3051.319,"text":"Lars Steffen: and to get to more… and learn more about our work. So the first one is our usual ISPCP membership work session, which is public. It will take place on Tuesday. I just shared the…"},{"id":"cue-277","start":3051.34,"end":3064.849,"text":"Lars Steffen: So you can find the date, the time, and also the room where it will take place. I see that SANTANU just shared on the chat the direct link to the agenda."},{"id":"cue-278","start":3065.01,"end":3069.309,"text":"Lars Steffen: And on Wednesday, we will have an outreach session."},{"id":"cue-279","start":3069.53,"end":3081.739,"text":"Lars Steffen: And, this is something that we do in collaboration with the SSAC, the Security and Stability Advisory Committee. We have, a monthly"},{"id":"cue-280","start":3081.88,"end":3093.439,"text":"Lars Steffen: outreach, program where we provide, webinars, and at the ICANN meetings, we have on-site outreach sessions, and here in Bali."},{"id":"cue-281","start":3093.76,"end":3099.03,"text":"Lars Steffen: We have a session on the next slide, where we find the details."},{"id":"cue-282","start":3099.36,"end":3101.17,"text":"Lars Steffen: So, this time…"},{"id":"cue-283","start":3101.29,"end":3115.31,"text":"Lars Steffen: We will discuss common mistakes in DNS configuration and their impact on the infrastructure, not only of ISPs, but including them. So the speakers will be Peter, he's from DESAC, he's also from"},{"id":"cue-284","start":3115.31,"end":3122.809,"text":"Lars Steffen: from Germany, we will have Rafael from the University of Twente, and Gurtam from Apple in the room."},{"id":"cue-285","start":3122.81,"end":3140.629,"text":"Lars Steffen: as speakers representing the ASAC, and of course, my colleagues, who are also with you in the room, will be there. And, with this, also taking a look at the time, I would like to, open the room, and I'm happy to take any questions. Thank you."},{"id":"cue-286","start":3141.5,"end":3155.269,"text":"MTS - AV: Thank you, Lars. It was very interesting presentation, and we have probably time for one or two questions. I will go to the guys over there. Remy, please go ahead."},{"id":"cue-287","start":3157.8,"end":3158.779,"text":"MTS - AV: Thank you."},{"id":"cue-288","start":3159.02,"end":3165.59,"text":"MTS - AV: For the record, Surami Nwake, I'm a fellow for… I can… it is 7."},{"id":"cue-289","start":3166.04,"end":3167.34,"text":"MTS - AV: From Nigeria."},{"id":"cue-290","start":3167.81,"end":3172.13,"text":"MTS - AV: a member of Digital Science Africa, and ALS."},{"id":"cue-291","start":3172.43,"end":3173.659,"text":"MTS - AV: Based in Nigeria."},{"id":"cue-292","start":3173.81,"end":3183.71,"text":"MTS - AV: Thank you, Lars, for the presentation. I just want to find out, in your, presentation, you…"},{"id":"cue-293","start":3183.91,"end":3186.779,"text":"MTS - AV: Name the number of officers you have."},{"id":"cue-294","start":3187.13,"end":3194.469,"text":"MTS - AV: I think I didn't get to see the membership coordinator or credential or something."},{"id":"cue-295","start":3194.76,"end":3203.63,"text":"MTS - AV: That's just by the way. Then I want to find out if community network operators who also provide services."},{"id":"cue-296","start":3206.36,"end":3207.989,"text":"MTS - AV: within the communities."},{"id":"cue-297","start":3208.56,"end":3213.12,"text":"MTS - AV: also can belong to Your constituency."},{"id":"cue-298","start":3213.93,"end":3216.469,"text":"MTS - AV: If not, why not? Thank you."},{"id":"cue-299","start":3219.5,"end":3222.509,"text":"Lars Steffen: So, thank you for the question."},{"id":"cue-300","start":3223.27,"end":3243.84,"text":"Lars Steffen: In… so the… so the two positions that you've seen on the slide, yes, we don't have specific individuals attached to those functions in our structure, but as described, those functions are operated through the executive committee as a joint effort."},{"id":"cue-301","start":3243.84,"end":3256.47,"text":"Lars Steffen: But if you would like to join the ISPCP and fill one of those seats, you're more than welcome. Coming to your second question, so if you're operating"},{"id":"cue-302","start":3256.49,"end":3268.009,"text":"Lars Steffen: the infrastructure, by yourself, and with this, you would be eligible as an internet service provider, or an access provider, or connectivity provider."},{"id":"cue-303","start":3268.31,"end":3280.02,"text":"Lars Steffen: just from a distance, I would say, yes, you would be eligible in joining the ISPCP. We have a form for this on the website, so if you're interested, feel free to."},{"id":"cue-304","start":3280.03,"end":3290.279,"text":"Lars Steffen: to send in an application, and then Philippe, my colleague's in the room, and I will take a look at it. So… but maybe my colleagues would like to chime in if I had forgot anything."},{"id":"cue-305","start":3293.65,"end":3300.679,"text":"MTS - AV: Yes, please, Philip, please go ahead. Thank you, Siranish. And then hi, everyone. I'm Phil Fukam, the ISPCP chair."},{"id":"cue-306","start":3300.68,"end":3314.229,"text":"MTS - AV: I guess the… it's difficult to answer precisely to your question. It really depends on what you mean by… by a community network operator. If you operate as a… as a private structure."},{"id":"cue-307","start":3314.23,"end":3325.269,"text":"MTS - AV: That do… do not… that doesn't serve, customers, or doesn't provide access to the internet, because that's really the bottom line of our criteria. You wouldn't…"},{"id":"cue-308","start":3325.27,"end":3339.44,"text":"MTS - AV: qualify, as opposed to a network like an IXP or an ISV that would provide access to the internet, whether to larger structures or to the end user, then you would qualify. So, as Lars said."},{"id":"cue-309","start":3339.44,"end":3356.63,"text":"MTS - AV: by all means, please send an application and we'll review them, and we can discuss the criteria with you moving forward. Hope that's helpful. Thank you. Thank you. I know I'm not giving the floor to those who already asked several questions during today, but…"},{"id":"cue-310","start":3356.86,"end":3366.66,"text":"MTS - AV: We will get back to… I see the lady over there, I would like to give the floor, I know she was raising her hand for several sessions, so please go ahead."},{"id":"cue-311","start":3373.75,"end":3387.719,"text":"MTS - AV: Okay, hello, my name is Alan Kusuma. Actually, I'm going to echo about the community network operator, because I understand in Indonesia there is a school of internet community by Cameroon."},{"id":"cue-312","start":3387.8,"end":3396.979,"text":"MTS - AV: a non-profit organization trying to provide internet in the remote areas of Indonesia. So my question is."},{"id":"cue-313","start":3397.05,"end":3412.98,"text":"MTS - AV: do I… do ISPCP, know the initiatives by… I think it's APC and LockNet in several, regions across, the world, about the CCCI."},{"id":"cue-314","start":3413.97,"end":3415.44,"text":"MTS - AV: The."},{"id":"cue-315","start":3416.12,"end":3422.95,"text":"MTS - AV: I've… I kind of forget about the… CCCS is, Connectivity?"},{"id":"cue-316","start":3423.07,"end":3429.329,"text":"MTS - AV: Meaningful connectivity initiatives Are you already connected to that?"},{"id":"cue-317","start":3429.54,"end":3430.61,"text":"MTS - AV: Initiative?"},{"id":"cue-318","start":3430.95,"end":3434.769,"text":"MTS - AV: Lars, do you want to respond to this? And Philip can add."},{"id":"cue-319","start":3436.61,"end":3458.54,"text":"Lars Steffen: So, as far as I know, we are not directly in contact with this initiative already, but more than happy to change this and to have a conversation and to learn, because even though that our membership criteria says that we accept membership from ISPs."},{"id":"cue-320","start":3458.63,"end":3468.35,"text":"Lars Steffen: and connectivity providers, it doesn't say anything about the level of commercial interest behind it. So, I'm happy to have that conversation."},{"id":"cue-321","start":3469.05,"end":3478.14,"text":"MTS - AV: Okay, thank you. I just want to say that the CCCI, I mean, is the Community Center Connectivity Initiatives. That's it, thank you."},{"id":"cue-322","start":3480.71,"end":3488.37,"text":"Lars Steffen: Thank you, and if any one of you could share the link on the chat, for example, I think that would be very helpful."},{"id":"cue-323","start":3488.77,"end":3497.54,"text":"MTS - AV: Yeah, can you please share the link in the chat? Yeah, thank you. And we can take one more question. Sadiq Jeeta, OK, we'll come to you."},{"id":"cue-324","start":3498.86,"end":3516.449,"text":"MTS - AV: Thank you so much for this opportunity to ask question. For the record, I am Sadiq Chasilwal from Nepal with Fellowship Program. 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